HOUSTON... WE GOT A PROBLEM HERE ... !  (SHIP(S) TO RUSSIA 1941-45 ? )

Oh, Yulia. There is something sad and gloomy with all your (owncreated) metaphores, but not a true word about the facts, concerning this Israeli crime of piracy, just opinions and parabels . It sounds really like something from the worst past, Soviet arsenal, coming out from the wardrobe, just hard to believe.

" They jump at me, hit me with sticks and bottles, and stold my gun. My choice : shoot!  The poor soldier just follow his instructions. Out on a mission he and his collegueas was attacked, and the mob assualt. Rules of engagement: Shoot ! When North-Corea just torpedoed a South- corean warship, some weeks ago under the same conditions, there was no discussions of guilt. But now ? 

The Blockade in its self, is just declared illegal, by the International community, The Ghaza people starving. My associations goes right now to the Allies help convoys 1941-45, Ship to Russia, and the 900 days of the Leningrad blockade, during the war , and didn´t you learn something from that ?  No empathy?

(And one more question: Can the Russian Baltic Fleet act in the same way in The Baltic sea, if there will be some conflicts concerning the Nordstream pipeline, in the Swedish economic zone ?  They took to violence(DC-3, 1952)  and the incursing submarine W-137(Gustjin) 1981,wasn´t just nice neighbour business, in the Sea of Peace.

Are all this former crude Soviet manners  still "alive and kicking", Yulia, but with other  "pre-signs", and when Russia not seems to take a public critical stand against this pirate-deed, then it´s on a diverging course with many in Europe,(EU)  and its neighbours, and arousing mistrust.

And now Israel face a itself - a worldwide blockading, equal to their´s - directed against the  " dangerous " little Ghazastrip, something of a concentrationcamp, or the world´s largest out-door-prison.

Dear Yulia. I amnot russian, but as far as I understand Kodorkovski should be glad to be in jail only for economic crimes or whatever you call it. Political?

Did you interview the widow of the mayor of a city, where Yukos drilled oil. Why did this mayor die. Why no journalist in the west has tried to understand why he has been murdered. Or inncoent people, who lost their home, being forced out by security gards, who worked for whom? Please guess.

In Russia there are patriots and there are traitres, who prefer everything else than Russia. So pelase dont write articles, where the basic assimptions are false. Kodorkovski is not a victim and I would be very happy, if all the russians, who claim to be victims and go to court in Strasbourg would have been as kind with their own victims as Europe is with them.

Please tell me who pays you?

I like the phrase 'gullible rights activists' Yulia (but then you wouldn't use this term for rights defenders of Khodorkovsky, I imagine). The problem is that in the West if people know your work at all they believe that you are a liberal critic of President Putin. In fact your power worship of the Pinochet's of this world and your repeatedly stated horror of democratic rights for the poor unmask you as someone with a far more ultra rightist ideology than most people imagine.  But it is always nice that you have the honesty of your opinions, you are less politically correct than rightists in Europe. Small thanks for small mercies, I guess. 

I agree totally Yulia. Israel has been forced to stand alone, and had every right to do what they did. The goods could have been brought to the Gaza strip in accordance with Israel's rules and all would have been fine. Activists always want trouble! News brings minority views to the forefront for sensationalism, and the activists realize that. Like you said the flotilla was aware they would be confronted and wanted that confrontation so they would be put into the spotlight for sympathy. I would bet soon we will find out there were many terrorists aboard those ships along with weapons.

Comparing Khodorkovsky to the Palestinian people oppressed by Israelis, that is a joke

The purpose of the activistists was to raise attention on hunger, thirst and desperation that afflicts Palestinians.

Today you lost your credibility madame latynina, assuming you had some

Or if you were searching for popularity, here you have, but leave the blood of the oppressed alone, please

This was the funniest thing I read for a while, Julia never ceases to entertain ;)

The ad hominem attacks in the comments section speak for themselves and only serve to further illustrate the point that Ms Latyinina has been making.

The comments of AbbeyRoad, Vivaldi, Cesare etc illustrate once more how right the article's assessment is.

These commentators are trying their best to attach negative associations (soviet manners, Pinochet, bloody suppression, lack of empathy, ...) to the author without even trying to address her arguments.

That is exactly what the self-righteous "freedom flottilla" has been doing.  You just have to listen to the words of their own speakers.  They disregard the rules set by Israel because they do not acknowledge Israel's right to control the external borders of Gaza, which has been acknolwedged in various international treaties, including the Oslo treaty signed by the PLO.  The whole point of their action is not to transport food (to a place that btw is far from starving and whose authorities don't even want these goods as became clear yesterday) but to pile up corpses in order to make Israel look bad

Also the argument about internationality of those waters does not hold waters.  When you are facing an announced intrusion, you do not have to wait until those ships actually enter the 12 mile zone.  That is shown by many recent examples of other countries.

The attacks on the author show imho that not only Israel but much more is under siege by people acting in bad faith.  They are trying to inundate our reasoning capability by noise created with images, amplified by hordes of political analphabets who are known to react to images based on the Pavlov reflex, and to use ad hominem attacks and intimidation against those who in face of all this still are willing to speak the language of reason.

This are facts from the same day,  my 1st comment, The Moscow Times refused this. The facts today are that Israel lost totally her " cred " of being a normal state, when people see that now even Europeans can be handled the same brutal way as the Palestinians. Unions talking of blockade Israel, and cancel its special EU-trade agreement. Sweden even have a military atta-ché in Tel Aviv, now perhaps in question.

In Sweden we know that earlier, the than Israeli terrorists, Stern-gang,( filled with then later Israeli govermentmembers : Begin, Shamir),  conducted the murder of the Swedish member of the Royal house, Count Folke Bernadotte, the 17th of September, 1948, in the open street, when he acted as the United Nations peace-mediator. The Israeli goverment chose apoli-gize  this to the present Swedish king CarlXVI Gustaf,(b. 1946- ,  only when the queen Silvia, demanded this, some years ago, during a ordinary meeting. (History will not repeat, but rhy-mes.) 

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Original comment : Some completing informations, concerning the real flottila  and the crimes and the abusements of it from the Israeli state: The Swedish author Henning Mankell, was interviewed in the Swed-ish radio:(SR P1)  "- He said:-  An eyewitness told him, the soldiers shot people who were sle-eping,  during the attack. He calls it plain murder.They captured him and many others, let them pass some kind of - run the gauntlet, between soldiers, and media people, very fright-ening, like war trophies-  what he can´t forgive them. 

Then they  started push him. He beg them:  Stop pushing me ! Result - more pushing. Then they divided the other kidnapped prisoners in  different groups, then they beat them , throw them to the floor, and tied them up. The whole mood of the situation was  very violent, he said. They were transported to the Ber Sheba-prison in the pure desert. 

Because of Mankells reputation they delegated a  Israeli Foreign office-man, for him,  all what Mankell refused to cooperate with , in this quite illegal action against the ships, crew and pass-engers. No further informations concerning the historian M. Gardell and his wife, E. Manga, has reach us here yet.

The first soldier´s use paintball guns, with bullets with colour, and when they hit, the people believe it was real sharp rounds. And when soldiers coming from the sky, of course that move arose simple basic reactions of selfdefence. Then they made their  way to the captain´s  cabin, and forced him to stop, the machine, and throw him to the floor, hit him with riflebutts, accor-ding to Mr Carmesund/Swedish labour party (SAP)  Christian section/, made no resistance, but told some IDF soldiers acted correct.

A Swedish military analyst said yesterday,(TV) that this unskilled military performance of the Israeli commandos, caused the diasaster. And Ove Bring, human right- professor at the  Swed-ish Defence High school  said that the deportation procedures even are illegal. They must sign a illegal document that they had trespassed Israeli territory, not valid at all-  due to professor Bring, (+they were bringed in to Israeli ports, by force.) The Swedish foreign minister Carl Bildt: calls the crime - a crime, and nothing else, in his typical frank style.

30 wounded in hospital,some 10 with heavy injuries. They Israeli´s action must have aimed to kill and destroyed, because it´s more easy to eliminate the rudderfunctions of the ship, with shipartillery or some other navalweapons. The captain beg the Israeli navy,when they contacted him,  to send him those coordinates, he wasn´t allowed to pass with his ship, in a position some 70 nautical miles outside Ghaza, but they refused to give him further informations.

And another comment from the, (Swedish) radio: : " - Those people with Jewish background in former Soviet Union that was oppressed by the Soviet regime, 1960/70ies, and then felt obliged / forced  to immigrate to Israel, were called derogatory "refuseniks", and saying: most of those people are the ones that voted and support the present Israeli´s  rightwing goverment, and its harsh measures. How come ? //

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New Addition: The  soldiers shoot people in the head from 45 cm distance, plain murder, and many rounds hit each victim, even when they entered the ship from above. They used laser-aims to put the bullet, between the eyes, a photograph was shot in his breast. The Swedish members, were robbed of their laptops, celltelephones, driving licences etc.  and the IDF acted like common thieves, they said, and they will sue them. I think the blockade by all this  - is just broken.

(Quoted from Carsten Jensen, a Danish, journalist, writer.) Today, the 6th of June we´re cele-brate the Swedish national day, dated 1523, when Gustav Vasa, ( Sweden´s Stalin...? ) arrived at Stockholm, after have defeated the Danes, and German influences. But heavy wars waited, 1658,Denmark,1700 & 1809 Russia. Swedes are not much of nationalists, but when going abroad. We all are...

But today, 6th of June, 1944, even The Allies, launched their invasion of Europe, the D-day, to relieve the Red army and create the Second front. And this week mus† have been the D-day for the Ghaza strip, when the World Allies of today, condemned the Israeli blockade. But even 1944, very tough struggle against NaziGermany and its axis-nations,remained.

But we can see the light in the (Ghaza)tunnel, as 1944, thanks to the quite unexpected, inno-cent victims of Israel´s so called brave  "defence forces"  and its not the blinding searchlight from a Israeli coastguard, preventing the world to get information from a dirty, assault, like during the German attacks on the Allies helpconvoys to Russia, and the blocking of Leningrad.

And more unexpected, the rather shy and anxious Swedes, take the brave lead in this U.N.-backed offensive for humanity. But it´s lucky, that the last Swede, killed in Israel, was the present king´s relative, count Folke Bernadotte, U.N:s high commissioner, murdered 1948. 17.9. Those accused of this, terroristic attempt, later became Israel´s primeminister,  (M. Begin), and foreign minister (Y.Shamir), a nice unbeatable little couple, in an unbeatable nice little nation. 

Didn´t Moscow Times publish a picture of Putin, today, walking the shore, where his father was wounded in Leningrad...Which nation in the world, can identify themselves with the suffering of war and blockades ?  Guess ? Not in any case -  Russia ? That´s really sad and disappoin-ting. To whom can we turn ? 

We too, in the (wolf)pack of three souls, going in - one after the other, attacked poor Yulia Latynina´s column, without mercy. First we deployed as the formidable Israeli Navy, and we really saw the opportunity of setting up our own laws, and rules, and just blocking Latynina from ever sending her mails to the servers of Moscow Times, because they can contain verbal contra-band, and we are very suspicious, (but we restrain to words, questions, critics, and pains.) But Yulias columns must now first pass our Ship-to-Censor-authority. (If she then lose her salary, so what... and if our comments even "harm" people around her, so what ? Collateral damage, from collective pun-ishment, not our business.) (And please, let´s discuss Chodorkovskij, another day, this context can´t be of no advantage for him...)

To read this new Russian-German (?) pact, Yulia & Hartmut, walking together the Nazi-Pact-Path, is unbelievable, we are not (65 years), 30 days yet,  from the Russian´s celebration of the Victory Day, thats why at least Yulia´s comment seems " like the clown, suddenly jumping up at the stage, then been rolled into /wrapped in a carpet, and  carried away. " 

(I think the common Swedes really are tired to have been wrapped in the thick neutral EU-carpet, comparing to the times of the active primeminister Olof Palme (-1986) and his speech when USA bombed Hanoi, 1972, merciless. Palme : Bloody murderers ! comparing with Auschwitz, Katyn and Oradur ...now Hanoi. / (And so he was punished by U.S, and at last even murdered like Bernadotte.) And now: Aircraft to Smolensk, The BP-blow-out, Ship to Ghaza, too much disasters, too often.